Curse

Narcism · May 10, 2007, 02:45 AM // 02:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alderin

Thats seems to be the biggest issue here. PvPist will be able to get PvE stuff shortly without ever touching PvE yet PvE can't get the PvP stuff without having to PvP.

Wait wait, I can't believe what I just read.

You're saying.. PvE.. can't get PvP stuff without having to PvP? Forgive my ignorance, but why the christ would you need "PvP stuff" if you're not going to be PvP?

"I should be able to unlock PvP stuff which i'm never going to use, and I need to do it by PvE!"

For the sake of having them? so you can make a point on forums when the discussion is brought up? I'm baffled.

And wow, wait, just when I thought this post was abominable.. I just remembered (omg how could I forget) that:
-skills
-mods
-runes
-npcs
are all unlockable in PvE.

Holy christ. This post takes the cake, where's Yichi.

Diablo™ · May 10, 2007, 02:57 AM // 02:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcism

Wait wait, I can't believe what I just read.

You're saying.. PvE.. can't get PvP stuff without having to PvP? Forgive my ignorance, but why the christ would you need "PvP stuff" if you're not going to be PvP?

"I should be able to unlock PvP stuff which i'm never going to use, and I need to do it by PvE!"

For the sake of having them? so you can make a point on forums when the discussion is brought up? I'm baffled.

And wow, wait, just when I thought this post was abominable.. I just remembered (omg how could I forget) that:
-skills
-mods
-runes
-npcs
are all unlockable in PvE.

Holy christ. This post takes the cake, where's Yichi.

He's talking about the ranking emotes.

Alderin · May 10, 2007, 03:03 AM // 03:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcism

Wait wait, I can't believe what I just read.

You're saying.. PvE.. can't get PvP stuff without having to PvP? Forgive my ignorance, but why the christ would you need "PvP stuff" if you're not going to be PvP?

"I should be able to unlock PvP stuff which i'm never going to use, and I need to do it by PvE!"

For the sake of having them? so you can make a point on forums when the discussion is brought up? I'm baffled.

And wow, wait, just when I thought this post was abominable.. I just remembered (omg how could I forget) that:
-skills
-mods
-runes
-npcs
are all unlockable in PvE.

Holy christ. This post takes the cake, where's Yichi.

If you botherd to pay attention you would see I was talking about the Rank emotes and the HoH only skin weapons and inscribeable ones from Factions and Prophecies that only come from HoH.

Pay more attention to what is said and what it is replying to so next time you don't look like such an idiot.

Bryant Again · May 10, 2007, 03:06 AM // 03:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hell Raiser

I wouldn't mind unlocking something in PvP and getting it in PvE.

I wouldn't mind having to do some PvP for armor that I could give to my PvE character. That would be pretty cool.

Age · May 10, 2007, 03:19 AM // 03:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ec]-[oMaN

How about all the PVP players, who have spent over 3000 hours PVPing, only to now have the option at different items that will probably take another 3000 hours to unlock. Near sighted, I swear.

I very much doubt this never had any of the top ladder guilds spend over 3000hrs and when I refer to over 2000 times it by 10.I have almost over 5000 hrs on mine alone.You will see that farmers spend way over more time farming and players just playing through the game and going through repeatable quests.then there are those who play in elite mission areas.I wouldn't expect it to be any harder to get those skins than it is faction.

Captain Robo · May 10, 2007, 03:32 AM // 03:32

I really don't see how people can have such love for guildwars pve.

It's horrible. I'm sorry, the guildwars pve is probably the lowest among all the mmorpgs.

PVE is a grind to unlock PVP material, that's all it is for me. Anything else is just extraneous, and a waste of time, in my opinion.

Yichi · May 10, 2007, 03:33 AM // 03:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcism

Wait wait, I can't believe what I just read.

You're saying.. PvE.. can't get PvP stuff without having to PvP? Forgive my ignorance, but why the christ would you need "PvP stuff" if you're not going to be PvP?

"I should be able to unlock PvP stuff which i'm never going to use, and I need to do it by PvE!"

For the sake of having them? so you can make a point on forums when the discussion is brought up? I'm baffled.

And wow, wait, just when I thought this post was abominable.. I just remembered (omg how could I forget) that:
-skills
-mods
-runes
-npcs
are all unlockable in PvE.

Holy christ. This post takes the cake, where's Yichi.

/wave... sorry i was failing to reply. i was out to dinner....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alderin

Thats seems to be the biggest issue here. PvPist will be able to get PvE stuff shortly without ever touching PvE yet PvE can't get the PvP stuff without having to PvP.

Wow ok this has gone on long enough. The stuff that is available USED to be available in PVE and in some instances still is.... i have already posted about 6 different times that some of this shit still drops in pve... crystalines can drop from the chests in sorrows and fissure... dwarvens, while rare, can do the same. Serpent axes have already been shown to drop in hard mode.... Go to bergen hot springs... you can farm deadbows and sephis axes all day long... runes drop everywhere.... Yes they did take some of it out of PVE and yes they RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up when they made it inscribable... i agree to this... BUT GOD DAMMIT so because someone wants to PVP they get punished because they get special drops? ok fine then. if i dont get a req9 zodiac sword drop from the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing halls chest, im gonna personally go kick some ass... does this make any sense...

PVE gets rare skins that DONT drop from the halls chest. Zodiac, Elemental swords, Murssat hammers, Murssat hornbows, etc....

PVE gets rare armors that no pvp character can ever have. FoW armor, Vabbian, 15k Armors....

Yes you all are so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing deprived. please get down off your throne and shoot yourself if you feel that you all have nothing left that PVP cant have.

And if i hear one more person mention the bullshit that they should get fame and rank (which are ment to be PVP rewards for accomplishments in PVP) i swear im gonna lose it. How would the PVE community feel if everytime someone died in PVE they dropped an ecto, ruby, saphire, or diamond... Your economy would be shit and everything you worked so hard for would be shot to hell. So then why do you feel its necessary, for us to be deprived of what we worked for, which was our fame and rank. Yes rank doesnt mean skill anymore... I earned my r8 the old fashoned way... by working for it. I stopped when it basically became a joke. I only HA now whenever a guildie decides to throw together a group... But god dammit, we all had to start from scratch. i earned my r3 by sticking it out with one bad pug after another, just like u will have too. You want to get better at PVP and get into a better group, grind it out until you learn the tactics and strats, learn your character, and get your r3 so you can start getting into higher ranked groups. Yes most of them will fail at r3+, but youll gain a little more fame because hopefully they will all have at least learned a little.... this is how this progresses... How in the blue hell is doing a mission or quest goign to teach you anything about The Hall of Heros and what tactics to use to win a 3way killcount, or which teams are the best to split off for point capture... Rank now means time spent. the people with the most rank = the people who have spent the most time to get it. So by this right, if i didnt want to spend the time to earn it, i should just be given it for free by doing pve? ok then... I want my KOABD title for winning a battle in 5 consecutive battles in 5 different PVP arenas. I want my vanquisher title for winning an automatic tournament in GVG. I want my Gaurdian title from winning an automated tourney in HvH. I want my Explorer title for fighting in AB... see how much sense this makes...

This game was intended to be a PVP game in the end, not a PVE game. Look at the game designs and as to how it was setup. Everything in PVE was ment to be unlocked and used in PVP and you were supposed to advance to PVP... But many chose to stay in PVE and i applaud them for sticking to the gameplay that they enjoy. But please get off your RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing high horse and tell me that you have nothign that PVP players have...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alderin

Good points there. The only way to make PvP = PvE balance in design is to make all the armors work exactly the same as in they can look one way but have the inscriptions to make them work the way you want with the look you want.

For the old armors they can add an NPC to the main towns (LA, Kaineng Center, and Kamadan) that will make your old armor inscribable and start it out with the inscription for what what the armor used to have. This would also let Elementlist from Prophecies have the Energy Bonus Armor.

I actually agree with this. This is one of the best and balanced ideas since the inscribable armors came out. The next thing they need to fix is being able to apply different inscriptions in PVP with PVE only armors, because its basically armor swapping.

Oso Minar · May 10, 2007, 04:12 AM // 04:12

If I were able to create any armor/weapon combination I wanted, based on skins that I unlock in PvE play, I can guarantee you that my PvE character would be PvP'ing much more.

PvP players can unlock skins through faction. Wonderful. Allow the skins that PvE players have accumulated (if you get the drop / pay for the armor, you get the skin) to be unlocked and available for creation as well. Good times for everyone. What's wrong with that idea?

Money will still be required to purchase the armors in the first place, people will still need to get the drops they need. Just make it so everyone can unlock anything they need in either PvP OR PvE, and allow both types of characters to create new items on the whim.

(This stems from a personal rant involving me being pissed off over the fact that half of the PvE players don't bother to properly equip themselves for the builds they run.)

Orinn · May 10, 2007, 04:27 AM // 04:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enciah

Having weapon/armor with pve skin on pvp character is fine.

i'm tired to change 20/20 to fire damage, 10%... on PVE Weapon, or having 3 or more different weapon with the same rare and expenssive skin just because you need different stat and builds are always changing!
PVE skins that you can customise when you want without platine and ectos and lot of farming, time is really nice.

pve's: hours of farming--> crystalline bought
pvp's: same time of pvp--> same crystalline unlock ......I think it's fair!

And for another character on that account?

PvE: more hours and hours of farming
PvP: Look, I have another one right now!

multiply the number of farming hours by the number of PvE characters on the account (I have 10 myself) then by the number of different weapon mods you want to carry (my warrior alone carries 4 swords) to get your REAL number.

Still sound fair?

fenix · May 10, 2007, 04:38 AM // 04:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

AWESOMENESS DEFINED. In here is the best post in this thread

Yeah, Yichi, you pretty much win this thread. Mods, can you lock now, and give Yichi some sort of medal?

It all comes down to this. WHY ARE YOU PVERS COMPLAINING IF YOU DONT PVP. It doesn't make sense. Why complain about something you don't participate in, and will not have an effect on anything. So stupid. And you posters who act like an authority, saying that PvErs get the shaft. You. Know. NOTHING. Seriously, sit down, have a long hard look at Guild Wars, and see just how much shafting you ACTUALLY get. This is a nice (albeit unnecessary) addition to AT's, that will reward PvPers. It won't change anything in PvE.

Seriously, some of you are borderline retarded. That's how stupid your posts are getting.

Alderin · May 10, 2007, 04:40 AM // 04:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by MistressYichi

Wow ok this has gone on long enough. The stuff that is available USED to be available in PVE and in some instances still is.... i have already posted about 6 different times that some of this shit still drops in pve... crystalines can drop from the chests in sorrows and fissure... dwarvens, while rare, can do the same. Serpent axes have already been shown to drop in hard mode.... Go to bergen hot springs... you can farm deadbows and sephis axes all day long... runes drop everywhere.... Yes they did take some of it out of PVE and yes they RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed up when they made it inscribable... i agree to this... BUT GOD DAMMIT so because someone wants to PVP they get punished because they get special drops? ok fine then. if i dont get a req9 zodiac sword drop from the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing halls chest, im gonna personally go kick some ass... does this make any sense...

PVE gets rare skins that DONT drop from the halls chest. Zodiac, Elemental swords, Murssat hammers, Murssat hornbows, etc....

PVE gets rare armors that no pvp character can ever have. FoW armor, Vabbian, 15k Armors....

Yes you all are so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing deprived. please get down off your throne and shoot yourself if you feel that you all have nothing left that PVP cant have.

And if i hear one more person mention the bullshit that they should get fame and rank (which are ment to be PVP rewards for accomplishments in PVP) i swear im gonna lose it. How would the PVE community feel if everytime someone died in PVE they dropped an ecto, ruby, saphire, or diamond... Your economy would be shit and everything you worked so hard for would be shot to hell. So then why do you feel its necessary, for us to be deprived of what we worked for, which was our fame and rank. Yes rank doesnt mean skill anymore... I earned my r8 the old fashoned way... by working for it. I stopped when it basically became a joke. I only HA now whenever a guildie decides to throw together a group... But god dammit, we all had to start from scratch. i earned my r3 by sticking it out with one bad pug after another, just like u will have too. You want to get better at PVP and get into a better group, grind it out until you learn the tactics and strats, learn your character, and get your r3 so you can start getting into higher ranked groups. Yes most of them will fail at r3+, but youll gain a little more fame because hopefully they will all have at least learned a little.... this is how this progresses... How in the blue hell is doing a mission or quest goign to teach you anything about The Hall of Heros and what tactics to use to win a 3way killcount, or which teams are the best to split off for point capture... Rank now means time spent. the people with the most rank = the people who have spent the most time to get it. So by this right, if i didnt want to spend the time to earn it, i should just be given it for free by doing pve? ok then... I want my KOABD title for winning a battle in 5 consecutive battles in 5 different PVP arenas. I want my vanquisher title for winning an automatic tournament in GVG. I want my Gaurdian title from winning an automated tourney in HvH. I want my Explorer title for fighting in AB... see how much sense this makes...

This game was intended to be a PVP game in the end, not a PVE game. Look at the game designs and as to how it was setup. Everything in PVE was ment to be unlocked and used in PVP and you were supposed to advance to PVP... But many chose to stay in PVE and i applaud them for sticking to the gameplay that they enjoy. But please get off your RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing high horse and tell me that you have nothign that PVP players have...

You know, cursing only makes your arguments weaker, not help them.

Notice how I did not make mention of Crystline Sword or Dwarven Axes? They do drop in PvE, though not in gold form. The complaint is about Runic Blades and Stygain Reavers.

Also pay more attention to the conversation and you will notice that it is going along the lines of, "When ArenaNet makes it possible for PvP players to get the PvE only skins without PvEing then they need to also make it so PvE players can get the PvP only skins and inscribablity without PvPing."

If you focused some of that energy you have on following conversations that you are replying to rather than seeing how many curse words you can throw out then maybe, maybe you might do better at comprehending the conversation.

"And if i hear one more person mention the bullshit that they should get fame and rank (which are ment to be PVP rewards for accomplishments in PVP) i swear im gonna lose it. How would the PVE community feel if everytime someone died in PVE they dropped an ecto, ruby, saphire, or diamond... Your economy would be shit and everything you worked so hard for would be shot to hell "

Wow, you really went off on a tangent there, maybe you should cool off before trying to respond without paying attention at what you are responding to instead of just spending the time ranting.

Notice how I never said PvE players should get PvP Fame or Rank in PvE but rather the Emotes.

As for the game being made to gear everyone toward PvP, yes origionally but look at the Elite areas Like Urgos Warran, The Deep, and The Domain of Anguish. People stayed in just PvE and wanted end game places for PvE and those places where added.

"But please get off your ........ high horse" Cursing omitted. Yes, you should until you calm down it seems. No need to give the mods reason to delete your posts or ban you as that wouldn't be good for anyone.

Apple · May 10, 2007, 04:41 AM // 04:41

I think that people should take a moment to realise just how incomprehensible most of the pve-ers in this thread are. I think it's actually offensive to decent pve players that these guys are the only pve-ers talking and making you all out to be as stupid as they are. Could a PvE-er with a brain please talk sense into them?

fenix · May 10, 2007, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by [Apple]

I think that people should take a moment to realise just how incomprehensible most of the pve-ers in this thread are. I think it's actually offensive to decent pve players that these guys are the only pve-ers talking and making you all out to be as stupid as they are. Could a PvE-er with a brain please talk sense into them?

At the rate this thread is going, I'm starting to think there are none.

It basically comes down to this:

PvPers shouldn't get given ANYTHING special, because we get bambi/wolf/tigger/bird. That's our reward, so we shouldn't complain about anything, and we also shouldn't get new things, because the emotes are JUST SO AWESOME AND RESPECTED BY PEOPLE. Yep. Exactly.

coleslawdressin · May 10, 2007, 04:48 AM // 04:48

I stopped playing PVE because it sucks and is boring anyhow. You get to copy farming builds and grind armor. I get to have fun PVPing and get PVE skins. You like mindless grind and I like PVP. What is the problem? You lost a customer? Not really most PVPers stopped caring about PVE too.

arcanemacabre · May 10, 2007, 04:51 AM // 04:51

Entitlement behavior sucks.

Also, this should have been done long, long ago... like at release two years ago.

Alderin · May 10, 2007, 04:57 AM // 04:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenix

At the rate this thread is going, I'm starting to think there are none.

It basically comes down to this:

PvPers shouldn't get given ANYTHING special, because we get bambi/wolf/tigger/bird. That's our reward, so we shouldn't complain about anything, and we also shouldn't get new things, because the emotes are JUST SO AWESOME AND RESPECTED BY PEOPLE. Yep. Exactly.

Maybe you should pay attention and you will notice a lot want PvP players to get the skins. They just want the skins that are PvP only to also be attainable in PvE as well and they want the Emotes to be attainable but not by Rank or Fame titles. They are also suggesting making the Inscription system global as well in PvE. It will help severe the barrier between PvP and PvE which is what Guild Wars is supposed to do isn't it? The less difference in what one gets over the other the better is it not? Balance between the two.

Agyar · May 10, 2007, 04:58 AM // 04:58

Apple · May 10, 2007, 05:01 AM // 05:01

No-one WANTS PvE and PvP to be similar! Why cant you idiots realise this! PvE being similar to PvP skews any concept of balance in PvP, and removes entire classes from use in PvE (mesmers). Anet realises that it's retarded to have the two mixed, which is why PvE-ers can have their stupid high level cap in GW2 and PvP will actually have a degree of balance. Shut the hell up, seriously.

fenix · May 10, 2007, 05:02 AM // 05:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alderin

Maybe you should pay attention and you will notice a lot want PvP players to get the skins. They just want the skins that are PvP only to also be attainable in PvE as well and they want the Emotes to be attainable but not by Rank or Fame titles. They are also suggesting making the Inscription system global as well in PvE. It will help severe the barrier between PvP and PvE which is what Guild Wars is supposed to do isn't it? The less difference in what one gets over the other the better is it not? Balance between the two.

I bolded the main parts. Firstly, PvP-only skins are a reward for HAers. Secondly, Emotes are a reward to HAers. If you add both those to PvE, why would anyone ever do HA again? There would literally be no point. Those are the kind of stupid suggestions I was talking about.

Creeping Carl · May 10, 2007, 05:02 AM // 05:02

Let's see. You can't bring the PVP unlocked items out of PVP areas. So it doesnt affect PVE WHATSOEVER. You can't sell these PVP items. You can't trade them. And they can only be used on that account's PVP characters.

SO WHAT'S THE FREAKING CRYING ABOUT?

How does this affect PVE at all? If you don't give a rat's ass about PVP and will never step foot into a PVP area, how does this affect you at all? Why should you get so bothered about other players being able to unlock a few skins? No one is stopping you from doing the same if you choose to do so.

Ugh. I guess people really will complain about anything.